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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="http://nerve.com/CS/utility/FeedStylesheets/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>The Screengrab : pan's labyrinth</title><link>http://nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/archive/tags/pan_2700_s+labyrinth/default.aspx</link><description>Tags: pan's labyrinth</description><dc:language>en</dc:language><generator>CommunityServer 2007.1 (Build: 20910.1126)</generator><item><title>Del Toro on the Hobbit Trail</title><link>http://nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/archive/2008/04/28/del-toro-on-the-hobbit-trail.aspx</link><pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:00:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">bd485f5c-a45b-491f-8e52-c79e7f680fc3:89069</guid><dc:creator>Scott Von Doviak</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=89069</wfw:commentRss><comments>http://nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/archive/2008/04/28/del-toro-on-the-hobbit-trail.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;font size="2"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/2008/04/23-End%20of%20Month/hobbit.jpg"&gt;&lt;img src="http://www.nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/2008/04/23-End%20of%20Month/hobbit.jpg" align="right" border="0" alt="" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
By now me and you and everyone we know is aware that Guillermo del Toro has been tapped to direct not one but two new hobbit movies based on J.R.R. Tolkien’s &lt;i&gt;The Hobbit&lt;/i&gt;.  (Initial reports indicated that the second film would span the period between the end of the book and the beginning of &lt;i&gt;Lord of the Rings&lt;/i&gt;, but now that appears not to be the case.)  Now that years of accounting disputes between New Line and Peter Jackson are finally resolved, the AP reports that del Toro “will move to New Zealand for four years to make the films back-to-back with executive producer Peter Jackson.”
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Seems like a perfect match, right?  If Jackson himself can’t direct them, why not substitute another hobbit-looking fantasy filmmaker?  But Salon’s Andrew O’Hehir &lt;a href="http://www.salon.com/ent/movies/btm/feature/2008/04/25/del_hobbit/index.html" target="_blank"&gt;smells a rat&lt;/a&gt;.  O’Hehir interviewed del Toro at the 2006 Cannes Film Festival and asked him about Tolkien’s influence on his work.  “I was never into heroic fantasy,” del Toro replied. “At all. I don&amp;#39;t like little guys and dragons, hairy feet, hobbits -- I&amp;#39;ve never been into that at all. I don&amp;#39;t like sword and sorcery, I hate all that stuff.”
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I suppose you could make the argument that hiring a hobbit-hater to direct &lt;i&gt;The Hobbit&lt;/i&gt; could spark some creative tension, but O’Hehir isn’t having it, especially since the whole process will consume four years out of del Toro’s career.  “I&amp;#39;m riding a major bummer if del Toro is shelving &lt;i&gt;3993&lt;/i&gt; (the third of his Spanish history-fantasy trilogy, after &lt;i&gt;Pan&amp;#39;s Labyrinth &lt;/i&gt;and &lt;i&gt;The Devil&amp;#39;s Backbone&lt;/i&gt;), his adaptation of H.P. Lovecraft&amp;#39;s &lt;i&gt;At the Mountains of Madness&lt;/i&gt; or his &lt;i&gt;Doctor Strange&lt;/i&gt; blockbuster. All three of those projects are vastly better fits than the hairy-footed little guys and dragons.”
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Meanwhile, &lt;a href="http://defamer.com/384724/if-the-hobbit-must-be-made-wed-rather-see-one-of-these-directors-at-the-helm" target="_blank"&gt;Defamer&lt;/a&gt; has been hard at work coming up with more suitable nominations for the &lt;i&gt;Hobbit &lt;/i&gt;director’s chair.  We particularly enjoy the suggestion of David Lynch:  “A natural short-lister for any film involving midgets. Plus we all know how well his previous would-be fantasy franchise went.”  Yes, that would be &lt;i&gt;Dune&lt;/i&gt;.
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Hurt has smaller roles in two of the most anticipated summer blcokbusters of the year, &lt;i&gt;Hellboy 2&lt;/i&gt;, which, like the first, was directed by Guillermo Del Toro, and &lt;i&gt;Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.&lt;/i&gt; Hurt, whose character was killed off in the first movie, appears briefly in the new one, which he says has &amp;quot;more of &lt;i&gt;Pan&amp;#39;s Labyrinth&lt;/i&gt;&amp;quot; to it than its predecessor. I&amp;#39;m not sure what that means, exactly, but I did just drool on my keyboard. As for the Indiana Jones movie, Hurt is of course sworn to secrecy regarding its details, but it&amp;#39;s a testament to how badly the filmmakers wanted him on board that he&amp;#39;s in it at all, considering that he demanded on seeing the script before saying yes. In the end, he says, &amp;quot;They sent me a script - but they sent it with a courier who delivered it to me at three in the afternoon, collected it at eight that evening, and flew back to Los Angeles the next day - which is the most expensive script read ever.&amp;quot; &lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;img src="http://nerve.com/CS/aggbug.aspx?PostID=87960" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/archive/tags/phil+nugent/default.aspx">phil nugent</category><category domain="http://nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/archive/tags/guillermo+del+toro/default.aspx">guillermo del toro</category><category domain="http://nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/archive/tags/pan_2700_s+labyrinth/default.aspx">pan's labyrinth</category><category domain="http://nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/archive/tags/john+hurt/default.aspx">john hurt</category><category domain="http://nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/archive/tags/the+oxford+murders/default.aspx">the oxford murders</category><category domain="http://nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/archive/tags/hellboy+2/default.aspx">hellboy 2</category><category domain="http://nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/archive/tags/indiana+joness+and+the+kingdom+of+the+crystal+skull/default.aspx">indiana joness and the kingdom of the crystal skull</category></item><item><title>S-Horror?</title><link>http://nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/archive/2008/01/18/s-horror.aspx</link><pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:00:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">bd485f5c-a45b-491f-8e52-c79e7f680fc3:64068</guid><dc:creator>Leonard Pierce</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=64068</wfw:commentRss><comments>http://nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/archive/2008/01/18/s-horror.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;font size="2"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/2008/01/08-15/orphanage.jpg"&gt;&lt;img src="http://www.nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/2008/01/08-15/orphanage.jpg" align="right" border="0" alt="" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;As we gear up for another spring full of rampaging monsters and psychopathic serial killers, &lt;a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/04/AR2008010404080.html"&gt;Desson Thompson in the Washington &lt;i&gt;Post&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt; wonders if something elemental to the whole concept of the horror movie isn&amp;#39;t missing:&amp;nbsp; the victim.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;After the usual handwringing over the &amp;#39;torture porn&amp;#39; generation, the artist formerly known as Howe goes on to make some pretty compelling points:&amp;nbsp; the horror films of today — even the stylized, artsy ones influenced by or coming from the J-horror movement — tend to focus entirely on the means by which the victims are dispatched:&amp;nbsp; intricate traps, complex schemes, gruesome tortures, gigantic monsters.&amp;nbsp; Very little attention, on the other hand, is given to providing the audience with an identification figure:&amp;nbsp; while in previous horror films we were at least able to identify with the person going through such terrifying treatment (as in &lt;i&gt;Rosemary&amp;#39;s Baby&lt;/i&gt;) or with the person doing the terrorizing (as in &lt;i&gt;Psycho&lt;/i&gt;), the modern-day horror film has lost its focus, one way or another, on humanity and gives us precious little to care about beyond the novelty of learning how the next victim will snuff it.&amp;nbsp; &amp;quot;When we think of the horror classics&amp;quot;, says Thomson, &amp;quot;we don&amp;#39;t recall the gruesome acts so much as the people who weathered them. Think of Rosemary Woodhouse, the determined mother in &lt;i&gt;Rosemary&amp;#39;s Baby&lt;/i&gt;, who faces the prospect her baby has been fathered by the Devil. Remember Regan MacNeil, the sweet pre-teen of &lt;i&gt;The Exorcist&lt;/i&gt;, whose satanic transformation forces heroics from two soft-spoken priests. Even Jack Torrance, the demented murderer at the heart of &lt;i&gt;The Shining&lt;/i&gt;, affects us because he&amp;#39;s a husband and father gone horribly awry, not some abstract ax wielder.&amp;quot; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Providing a much-needed antidote for this alienating inhumanity in the horror genre, he claims, are a new wave of Spanish horror directors, presaged by Guillermo del Toro in the disturbing &lt;i&gt;Pan&amp;#39;s Labyrinth&lt;/i&gt; and followed up by two of his proteges, director Juan Antonio Bayona and screenwriter Sergio G. Sanchez, whose dark, moody &lt;i&gt;The Orphanage&lt;/i&gt; is enjoying limited release in the U.S.&amp;nbsp; They both cite the Spanish cultural heritage of the Day of the Dead (which is &amp;quot;not something that you look upon as horrifying or sad or terrible but as a way to conciliate with death; you bring death home instead of trying not to think about it&amp;quot;, according to Sanchez) and the country&amp;#39;s all-too-recent emergence from the shadows of fascism as reasons why this brand of non-gory, emotionally powerful, human-centered horror is hitting home with their audiences.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Whether or not &lt;i&gt;The Orphanage&lt;/i&gt; will trigger a string of &amp;quot;S-horror&amp;quot; hits in the U.S., they&amp;#39;re doing quite well at home; the movie was last year&amp;#39;s highest-grossing film in Spain, outstripping even the blockbuster foreign imports like &lt;i&gt;Pirates of the Caribbean:&amp;nbsp; At World&amp;#39;s End&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;img src="http://nerve.com/CS/aggbug.aspx?PostID=64068" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/archive/tags/leonard+pierce/default.aspx">leonard pierce</category><category domain="http://nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/archive/tags/guillermo+del+toro/default.aspx">guillermo del toro</category><category domain="http://nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/archive/tags/j-horror/default.aspx">j-horror</category><category domain="http://nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/archive/tags/the+orphanage/default.aspx">the orphanage</category><category domain="http://nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/archive/tags/the+shining/default.aspx">the shining</category><category domain="http://nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/archive/tags/pirates+of+the+caribbean/default.aspx">pirates of the caribbean</category><category domain="http://nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/archive/tags/washington+post/default.aspx">washington post</category><category domain="http://nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/archive/tags/the+exorcist/default.aspx">the exorcist</category><category domain="http://nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/archive/tags/pan_2700_s+labyrinth/default.aspx">pan's labyrinth</category><category domain="http://nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/archive/tags/sergio+sanchez/default.aspx">sergio sanchez</category><category domain="http://nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/archive/tags/psycho/default.aspx">psycho</category><category domain="http://nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/archive/tags/rosemary_2700_s+baby/default.aspx">rosemary's baby</category><category domain="http://nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/archive/tags/torture+porn/default.aspx">torture porn</category><category domain="http://nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/archive/tags/juan+antonio+bayona/default.aspx">juan antonio bayona</category><category domain="http://nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/archive/tags/desson+thomson/default.aspx">desson thomson</category></item><item><title>Trailer Roundup:  Hellboy II:  The Golden Army</title><link>http://nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/archive/2008/01/04/trailer-roundup-hellboy-ii-the-golden-army.aspx</link><pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 17:00:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">bd485f5c-a45b-491f-8e52-c79e7f680fc3:61308</guid><dc:creator>Paul Clark</dc:creator><slash:comments>1</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=61308</wfw:commentRss><comments>http://nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/archive/2008/01/04/trailer-roundup-hellboy-ii-the-golden-army.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;font size="2"&gt;
&lt;object height="355" width="425"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/5NfIT6CFQXg&amp;amp;rel=1"&gt;&lt;param name="wmode" value="transparent"&gt;
&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/5NfIT6CFQXg&amp;amp;rel=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" height="355" width="425"&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I enjoyed the original &lt;i&gt;Hellboy&lt;/i&gt; movie well enough, but I wasn&amp;#39;t exactly clamoring for a second installment, even with the return of director Guillermo Del Toro. However, seeing the trailer I&amp;#39;ve got to say- &lt;i&gt;Hellboy II&lt;/i&gt; looks pretty darn cool. Not incidentally, it also looks more like a Del Toro film than the original film, with more creepy-crawlies and dreamlike imagery. And I find it sort of amazing that Universal is actually &lt;i&gt;playing up&lt;/i&gt; the &lt;i&gt;Pan&amp;#39;s Labyrinth&lt;/i&gt; connection- who would have guessed that a studio would be using a subtitled movie to sell one of their big summer blockbusters? Also, if this trailer is any indication, the boring-ass agent from the original won&amp;#39;t be returning for the sequel, which would be an improvement. Not sure if it&amp;#39;s actually true, but I can hope, can&amp;#39;t I?&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;img src="http://nerve.com/CS/aggbug.aspx?PostID=61308" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/archive/tags/trailer+roundup/default.aspx">trailer roundup</category><category domain="http://nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/archive/tags/guillermo+del+toro/default.aspx">guillermo del toro</category><category domain="http://nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/archive/tags/pan_2700_s+labyrinth/default.aspx">pan's labyrinth</category><category domain="http://nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/archive/tags/hellboy+II/default.aspx">hellboy II</category><category domain="http://nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/archive/tags/selma+blair/default.aspx">selma blair</category><category domain="http://nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/archive/tags/ron+perlman/default.aspx">ron perlman</category><category domain="http://nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/archive/tags/doug+jones/default.aspx">doug jones</category><category domain="http://nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/archive/tags/jeffrey+tambor/default.aspx">jeffrey tambor</category></item><item><title>Children in Cinema:  An Endangered Species?</title><link>http://nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/archive/2007/12/21/children-in-cinema-an-endangered-species.aspx</link><pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 19:10:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">bd485f5c-a45b-491f-8e52-c79e7f680fc3:59668</guid><dc:creator>Leonard Pierce</dc:creator><slash:comments>1</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=59668</wfw:commentRss><comments>http://nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/archive/2007/12/21/children-in-cinema-an-endangered-species.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/2007/12/23-End/abigailbreslin.jpg"&gt;&lt;img src="http://www.nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/2007/12/23-End/abigailbreslin.jpg" align="right" border="0" alt="" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;In the L.A. &lt;i&gt;Weekly&lt;/i&gt;, two staffers take decidely different approaches to the presence of children in film:&amp;nbsp; looking back at the history and the development of the on-screen child, from &lt;i&gt;The 400 Blows&lt;/i&gt; to &lt;i&gt;Little Miss Sunshine&lt;/i&gt;, Ella Taylor notes a reflection in contemporary cinema of &lt;a href="http://www.laweekly.com/film+tv/film/too-cute-for-their-own-good/17567/"&gt;our curious blend of overprotectiveness and overpermissiveness&lt;/a&gt;, and wonders why Hollywood has, unlike other countries, had such great difficulty promoting the development of a great director who makes films primarly for kids.&amp;nbsp; In the same issue, John Anderson, taking a very different tack, notes that increasingly, &lt;a href="http://www.laweekly.com/film+tv/film/short-people-short-lives/17571/"&gt;children have a shorter and shorter life expectancy&lt;/a&gt; -- on screen, at least.&amp;nbsp; Citing a recent crop of movies from &lt;i&gt;Pan&amp;#39;s Labyrinth&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;Planet Terror &lt;/i&gt;to &lt;i&gt;1408&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;Lonely Hearts&lt;/i&gt;, Anderson points out that it&amp;#39;s becoming even more dangerous to be a child on screen than it is to be an adorable puppy or a wise-cracking black sidekick. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src="http://nerve.com/CS/aggbug.aspx?PostID=59668" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/archive/tags/leonard+pierce/default.aspx">leonard pierce</category><category domain="http://nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/archive/tags/abigail+breslin/default.aspx">abigail breslin</category><category domain="http://nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/archive/tags/john+anderson/default.aspx">john anderson</category><category domain="http://nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/archive/tags/pan_2700_s+labyrinth/default.aspx">pan's labyrinth</category><category domain="http://nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/archive/tags/la+weekly/default.aspx">la weekly</category><category domain="http://nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/archive/tags/1408/default.aspx">1408</category><category domain="http://nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/archive/tags/ella+taylor/default.aspx">ella taylor</category><category domain="http://nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/archive/tags/little+miss+sunshine/default.aspx">little miss sunshine</category><category domain="http://nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/archive/tags/the+400+blows/default.aspx">the 400 blows</category><category domain="http://nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/archive/tags/lonely+hearts/default.aspx">lonely hearts</category><category domain="http://nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/archive/tags/planet+terror/default.aspx">planet terror</category></item><item><title>Face/Off: Fargo</title><link>http://nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/archive/2007/12/13/face-off-fargo.aspx</link><pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:00:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">bd485f5c-a45b-491f-8e52-c79e7f680fc3:58742</guid><dc:creator>Peter Smith</dc:creator><slash:comments>7</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=58742</wfw:commentRss><comments>http://nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/archive/2007/12/13/face-off-fargo.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;font size="2"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/2007/12/08-15/fargomarge.jpg"&gt;&lt;img src="http://www.nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/2007/12/08-15/fargomarge.jpg" align="right" border="0" alt="" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;LEONARD PIERCE: &lt;/strong&gt;Unlike our last Face/Off, when we discussed &lt;em&gt;Children of Men&lt;/em&gt; (a film which you will be marrying next summer in a small private ceremony at the Film Forum, whereas I view it simply as the most overrated movie by one of the Three Amigos prior to the release of &lt;em&gt;Pan&amp;#39;s Labyrinth&lt;/em&gt;), today, we&amp;#39;re going to talk about a movie we both really liked, albeit possibly for different reasons — &lt;em&gt;Fargo&lt;/em&gt; by the Coen Brothers. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Specifically, we&amp;#39;re going to talk about how the movie feels about Marge Gunderson, its main character and moral center. One of the most common critiques of the Coen Brothers as filmmakers is that, while they&amp;#39;re technically gifted and skilled synthesists, they lack heart, soul and feeling — the humanistic qualities of the directors they choose to ape. I don&amp;#39;t believe this is true, necessarily; while I don&amp;#39;t think the Coens will ever be accused of Capraesque oversincerity, I think they believe, more or less, in the message as well as the medium. But I do think that the Coens are very cynical filmmakers, not calculating or phony, but with a pretty jaundiced view of humanity. I don&amp;#39;t, in short, think they really like their characters very much. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I won&amp;#39;t go as far as to say they &lt;em&gt;hate&lt;/em&gt; Marge Gunderson; she is clearly a decent human being for the most part, and they don&amp;#39;t reserve for her the contempt with which they treat Jerry Lundegaard, who doesn&amp;#39;t even have the courage to be a bad man, or Wade Gustafson, who treats the kidnapping of his daughter like a business deal only he is competent enough to close on. But I think Marge is meant to be yet another manifestation of the dull, unimaginative &amp;quot;Minnesota nice&amp;quot; of their childhood, which they sought to exorcise in &lt;em&gt;Fargo&lt;/em&gt; just as surely as Todd Haynes did the wealthy Southern California of his youth in &lt;em&gt;Safe&lt;/em&gt;. There are a number of scenes in which the film&amp;#39;s attitude towards Marge peeks out: her choice of cuisine, her reaction to Mike Yanagita, her small pleasures and simple dreams, her &amp;quot;police work&amp;quot; which so impresses Deputy Lou but which is strictly small-town. But nowhere is it more apparent than in the final scene with the blank-faced killer Gaear Grimsrud: with the murderer, captured through little more than luck, sulking in the back seat of her prowler, Marge counts down a list (incomplete, as it happens) of everyone who has died because of his crimes. &amp;quot;And for what?&amp;quot; she asks of this Nordic hulk, so far removed from her world of Arby&amp;#39;s and postage stamps. &amp;quot;For a little bit of money. There&amp;#39;s more to life than a little money, you know. Don&amp;#39;t you know that? And here you are, and it&amp;#39;s a beautiful day. Well, I just don&amp;#39;t understand it.&amp;quot; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Indeed she doesn&amp;#39;t. She doesn&amp;#39;t understand it, and she probably never will. We aren&amp;#39;t privy to the decision-making process that led someone as cloistered as Marge Gunderson to become a law enforcement agent in the first place, but her befuddlement&amp;nbsp;— almost irritation&amp;nbsp;— at being exposed to the ugly reality that the police must often face is less sadness than it is annoyance. We see here what we glimpsed in the scene with Mike Yanagita: Marge doesn&amp;#39;t like being out of her comfort zone. She wants a quiet little life of sameness and simplicity, and her reaction to Gaear Grimsrud isn&amp;#39;t one of moral outrage; when she encounters the first crime scene (which, it&amp;#39;s easy to forget, begins with the murder of a fellow officer), she treats it with all the gravity she would a stolen bicycle. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Does this make her a bad person? Certainly not. In fact, it&amp;#39;s perfectly normal&amp;nbsp;— which is, in fact, the point. Marge isn&amp;#39;t a heroine. She isn&amp;#39;t a special person at all. She&amp;#39;s resolutely normal, bland: boring. She is a very conventional, and in some ways small, woman who we are tricked into thinking is exceptional because her banality is on a different moral level than that of the other banal characters in the film. She is not someone who grows over the course of the film, who develops or transcends&amp;nbsp;— and that is perhaps the greatest reason to believe that the film doesn&amp;#39;t think much of her. The Coens, as they are about most things, have been tight-lipped about this, aside from their usual talk of how they don&amp;#39;t seek to cause the same sort of reactions in their audience that most actors do, or how people react badly to films where the main character isn&amp;#39;t &amp;quot;sympathetic in a Hollywood formula way.&amp;quot; But the evidence is there on the screen for those who care to look for it. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And now, you will tell me why I have my head up my ass. (I trust you won&amp;#39;t take the tack of a friend of mine, who insisted the Coens must have thought highly of Marge, since Joel Coen wouldn&amp;#39;t have cast his wife in an unsympathetic role. I figure he must never have seen &lt;em&gt;Raising Arizona&lt;/em&gt;.) &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;PHIL NUGENT: &lt;/strong&gt;Leonard, first, let me just say that I would never imply that you have your head up your ass because of your take on Marge Gunderson. However, your suggestion that &lt;em&gt;Pan&amp;#39;s Labyrinth&lt;/em&gt; is overrated proves that you need professional help. I actually like the idea that Marge is sort of the butt of the movie. So far as theories that seem to me to be unsupported by the movies themselves, it may be second only to the idea that everything that happens in &lt;em&gt;Minority Report&lt;/em&gt; after Tom Cruise is locked away in suspended animation is his dream of the what should happen while he actually remains locked away and unavenged. The fact that I have trouble buying it has nothing to do with any deep attachment I have to the idea of Marge Gunderson, Superstar. Rather, it&amp;#39;s about what kind of filmmakers the Coens are. I wonder if, maybe out of some insistence on seeing &lt;em&gt;Fargo&lt;/em&gt; as a hipper or more complex movie than it really is, you might not be overthinking this a little. Me, I tend to think of the Coens as surface guys who put an incredible amount of conscious planning into the physical details of their movies, and who are inhumanly aware of how they expect both critics and audiences to respond to their cleverness. It might sound as if I&amp;#39;m one of those people who sometimes badmouth the Coens for being &amp;#39;merely&amp;#39; clever, but cleverness is something I&amp;#39;m all for; at the very least, it sure beats lack of imagination. But I do think that these guys have traditionally done their best work as flashy, surreal comedians — cartoonists, in fact — in such films as &lt;em&gt;Raising Arizona&lt;/em&gt;, &lt;em&gt;The Big Lebowski&lt;/em&gt;, &lt;em&gt;O Brother, Where Art Thou?&lt;/em&gt; and the underrated &lt;em&gt;Intolerable Cruelty&lt;/em&gt;, which is the one movie where I think they actually achieved satire, a sometimes ruthlessly biting satire on the possibility that genuine romantic love might not exist as anything more than a crippling delusion. &lt;em&gt;Fargo&lt;/em&gt; is a smart, impressive movie, but it is also a movie outside what I think of as their best range, and a movie that I think they made for the outside world, a movie pitched at the mainstream. I think that it was built to serve two purposes. One&amp;nbsp;was to save their career after &lt;em&gt;The Hudsucker Proxy&lt;/em&gt;, a movie closer to their best range, and a movie altogether less successful in every way than &lt;em&gt;Fargo&lt;/em&gt; but, overall, I think, more interesting. It features several amazing set pieces that could only have been the work of the Coens, tucked inside a structure that&amp;#39;s a bit of a train wreck. I don&amp;#39;t think there&amp;#39;s any question that &lt;em&gt;Fargo&lt;/em&gt; was successful in that and its other goal, which was to give Frances MacDormand a juicy sort-of-leading role that would make her beloved, win her some great reviews and maybe an award or two, and take her career to another level, as a much-sought-after character lead just when she was about to reach an age when good actresses who haven&amp;#39;t achieved more than McDormand had achieved before &lt;em&gt;Fargo&lt;/em&gt; start to find themselves dropping off the map. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This may sound a little cold, and a lot less cool than the idea that the Coens made the movie to dump on the boring &amp;quot;ordinariness&amp;quot; of the frozen Midwest, but the Coens are very smart guys, who understand the movie business very well, and I see no reason why they shouldn&amp;#39;t take these kind of calculations into effect while making the best movie they can, within the terms they set. After all, if they hadn&amp;#39;t had their big mainstream success with &lt;em&gt;Fargo&lt;/em&gt; they wouldn&amp;#39;t have been able to make my beloved &lt;em&gt;The Big Lebowski &lt;/em&gt;—a movie that, long before it was enshrined as an acknowledged modern classic, was initially written off as a disappointment by people like &lt;em&gt;The New Yorker&lt;/em&gt;&amp;#39;s Daphne Merkin because it lacked the &amp;quot;heart&amp;quot; that so many detected in &lt;em&gt;Fargo&lt;/em&gt;. That heart pretty much comes down to McDormand, and while it was be a delicious joke if it was something that the squares were projecting onto a blank screen, I do think that the Coens mean for us to find it there, to the extremely limited degree that they mean to instill some kind of feeling in their work at all. Looking at the bill of indictment&amp;nbsp;— all the specifics you cite as reason for judging Marge as, not even a &amp;quot;bad person&amp;quot; but disappointingly &amp;quot;ordinary&amp;quot;&amp;nbsp;— I can&amp;#39;t say that it seems like much of a put-down portrait to me. Is it really such a dreary thing for someone to say that they can&amp;#39;t understand why somebody, even Peter Stormare, would kill a woman and feed someone, even Steve Buscemi, into a wood chipper? Or that, whether or not they understand this werewolf, they brought him in partly through luck? So long as he&amp;#39;s not standing in line behind me at Wendy&amp;#39;s, I&amp;#39;d be delighted if he were locked up based on a tip some cop read in his horoscope that morning. No, she doesn&amp;#39;t like to be taken out of her comfort zone, but who does? (Extreme sports athletes and professional mercenaries may lead more physically exciting lives than some of us, but talk to some of them for five minutes and you may conclude that, rather than being driven by some wild man need to test themselves, some people just happen to have a comfort zone that includes traveling upside-down through the air at great speeds or being shot at by the last defenders of the presidential palace.) &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/2007/12/08-15/fargokillers.jpg"&gt;&lt;img src="http://www.nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/2007/12/08-15/fargokillers.jpg" align="right" border="0" alt="" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;For all her &amp;quot;ordinariness,&amp;quot; Marge still manages to slap the cuffs on Dracula, and she does it while hugely pregnant and while being as gentle as possible with the crazy man in the restaurant and offering tender moral support to her husband, played by the actor who David Fincher recently fingered as the Zodiac killer. The movie gives her a well-timed entrance&amp;nbsp;— we don&amp;#39;t get to meet her until after the action has already reached a level of cutthroat scuzziness that encourages&amp;nbsp;the audience to cling to her as a welcome, warm rock&amp;nbsp;— and if she doesn&amp;#39;t come across as Sherlock Holmes at first glance, by the end she seems to be solidly in the familiar mold of fictional detectives who use a mask of thick-witted blandness to throw their prey off the scent, and also to make it that much more satisfying to the audience when justice triumphs and the unassuming flatfoot proves his, or her, mettle. More than anything, though, I do think that Marge is shaped so that McDormand can win over the audience and walk off with the movie. Sure, the Coens could write an unflattering role for her; they did it years later in &lt;em&gt;The Man Who Wasn&amp;#39;t There&lt;/em&gt;, after this movie had done its job and McDormand, her career securely on the upswing, must have gotten a kick out of playing a femme fatale. But as Marge, she&amp;#39;s allowed to envelope the character in a homey glow that I don&amp;#39;t think the Coens would have tolerated if they meant for the character to inspire anything but uncomplicated love in the viewer. Ordinary, maybe. But definitely special. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;LEONARD PIERCE: &lt;/strong&gt;Like Hannibal Lecter, I must begin with first principles: if Marge Gunderson isn&amp;#39;t the butt of &lt;em&gt;Fargo&lt;/em&gt;, then who is? Carl Showalter? Shep Proudfoot? The Coens aren&amp;#39;t above making even the most seemingly sympathetic characters in their films the targets of their sharpest barbs (or the least sympathetic the subject of unusual tenderness or depth&amp;nbsp;— witness McDormand&amp;#39;s role in &lt;em&gt;The Man Who Wasn&amp;#39;t There&lt;/em&gt;, or for a real treat, ask me about my pet theory that Eddie Dane is the moral center of &lt;em&gt;Miller&amp;#39;s Crossing&lt;/em&gt;.) &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As for the question of what kind of filmmakers the Coens are, that&amp;#39;s a bit beyond our jurisdiction here, but you&amp;#39;re right that it&amp;#39;s a central component of how to read the character of Marge Gunderson. I agree that they put tremendous amounts of planning and detail-work into their films, and that they&amp;#39;re hyper-aware of the reaction they&amp;#39;re likely to get from their audience&amp;nbsp;— but to me, this argues in favor of my point, and against the idea that I&amp;#39;m reading to much into the depiction of Marge. The Coens are amongst the most economic filmmakers I can think of; at their best, hardly a frame is wasted. It&amp;#39;s hard for me to believe that these little moments where Marge Gunderson comes across as small or unsympathetic are accidental, given the care with which her creators have approached everything else they&amp;#39;ve ever done. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Beyond that, it&amp;#39;s hardly a secret that the Coens like fucking with their audiences, whether that means moviegoers or critics or even studio executives (for a sterling example of this, check out the uncomprehending foreword to the published screenplay of &lt;em&gt;The Hudsucker Proxy&lt;/em&gt;, by a clueless producer who laments the deranged casting choices offered up by the brothers, clearly not realizing he was being had). &lt;em&gt;Fargo&lt;/em&gt; is rife with this sort of thing from its very conception&amp;nbsp;— it goes out of its way to draw attention right off the bat to its alleged based-on-a-true-story nature, after which it presents us with a story that is clearly anything but true. Given the level of high-stakes game-playing Joel and Ethan Coen have engaged in before, it doesn&amp;#39;t strike me as implausible that Marge Gunderson was meant to be something more than Oscar bait, career padding, or a warm-gooey-nougat-center of &amp;quot;uncomplicated love&amp;quot; for the mainstream audience to chew on. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And while I&amp;#39;ve tried to keep this discussion civil, by gad, sir, I will not have my sanity called into question by a man who calls &lt;em&gt;Intolerable Cruelty&lt;/em&gt; underrated. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;PHIL NUGENT: &lt;/strong&gt;I &lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;don&amp;#39;t know that I can discuss something like this without addressing what kinds of filmmakers the Coens are. And despite your saying that the topic is &amp;quot;outside our jurisdiction,&amp;quot; I think you&amp;#39;re making your own assumptions about that when you ask who, if not Marge, is the butt of &lt;em&gt;Fargo&lt;/em&gt;. If the film were credited to someone less famed for being knowing and sarcastic, you might not approach it with the sense that it must be meant as a joke at &lt;em&gt;somebody&amp;#39;s&lt;/em&gt; expense. Because the Coens are hip, it might seem fair to assume that they must be inclined to stick it to the most unhip person on the screen. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But working in the movie industry does strange things to you, especially if you&amp;#39;re intelligent enough, as the Coens surely are, to be appalled by how much intelligence and skill go into shaping formula crap aimed at the lowest common denominator. And if you look at the Coens&amp;#39; work as a whole, it seems clear to me that they&amp;#39;ve never reserved their greatest contempt for well-meaning, good-hearted dummies: time and time again, in &lt;em&gt;Raising Arizona&lt;/em&gt; and &lt;em&gt;The Hudsucker Proxy&lt;/em&gt; and &lt;em&gt;O Brother Where Art Thou?&lt;/em&gt; and, yes, &lt;em&gt;Fargo&lt;/em&gt;, that&amp;#39;s the model for their heroes. With all due respect for your weird man-crush on the Dane, I think the most likable character in &lt;em&gt;Miller&amp;#39;s Crossing&lt;/em&gt; is the Albert Finney character, who thinks he&amp;#39;s on top of things but who doesn&amp;#39;t really know the score and has to be protected by the friend who&amp;#39;s cuckolding him with his fiancée. Even Jeff Lebowski, a verbally adroit hero who has his erudite moments and has inspired something of a minor philosophic movement, appears to have read great swatches of his how-to-be-a-detective manual with the book held upside-down. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/2007/12/08-15/fargokillers.jpg"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/2007/12/08-15/bartonfinkstill.jpg"&gt;&lt;img src="http://www.nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/2007/12/08-15/bartonfinkstill.jpg" align="right" border="0" alt="" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;So who, traditionally, have the Coens had it in for? From the start, guys who think they&amp;#39;re smart but have no moral compass, like M. Emmet Walsh and Dan Hedaya in &lt;em&gt;Blood Simple&lt;/em&gt;, and Billy Bob Thornton and his pretentious windbag lawyer in &lt;em&gt;The Man Who Wasn&amp;#39;t There&lt;/em&gt;, and just about all the important male characters in &lt;em&gt;Fargo&lt;/em&gt;, who at their most advanced suggest some exotic form of insect life. The all-time champion whipping boy for the Coens, even more than the William H. Macy character here who shrieks and whimpers when prevented from escaping through the bathroom window while in his underwear, may be Barton Fink, the self admiring blocked playwright who doesn&amp;#39;t listen, who lacks the professional discipline to hack out a B-movie script, and who in the end is denied even the minor dignity that might have come with being a true victim: instead, his uselessness may have inspired the aggrieved representative of dark forces to murder his family, just to get his attention. I don&amp;#39;t think this is the kind of cynical, sucking-up to the &amp;#39;average people&amp;#39; in the mass audience that you see in a shitheap like &lt;em&gt;Forrest Gump&lt;/em&gt;. Coming from guys who have had to deal with charges of being &amp;#39;merely clever&amp;#39; since they first emerged as filmmakers in their late twenties, it smacks of self-examination, and it may be the single most striking and attractive thing I know about the Coens. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Coens, indefatigable entertainers and reflexive smart-asses that they are, may have laid the tracks for people to suspect that Marge can&amp;#39;t be meant to be taken straight by setting her down in a Middle America snowscape where people talk as if they&amp;#39;re making fun of the guys in Pepperidge Farms commercials, and I think that they may have intended a corrective to that in &lt;em&gt;No Country for Old Men&lt;/em&gt;, where a guy who&amp;#39;s not as smart as he thinks he is but who&amp;#39;s basically decent is pitted against an abomination, with a guy who&amp;#39;s thoroughly decent but not as quick as he used to be as moral referee, in a Texas that never threatens to turn into &lt;em&gt;Blood Simple&lt;/em&gt;/&lt;em&gt;Raising Arizona&lt;/em&gt;-ville. &lt;em&gt;Fargo&lt;/em&gt; is probably still the Coens&amp;#39; biggest mainstream success&amp;nbsp;— however well &lt;em&gt;No Country&lt;/em&gt; does on the year-end critics&amp;#39; lists, I suspect it&amp;#39;s too cold to supplant or even join the earlier film in the popular consciousness&amp;nbsp;— and that means that its fan base includes a lot of people who the Coens&amp;#39; real fans must hate to find themselves agreeing with about anything. It may be hard for us to believe that guys like this could come up with someone like Marge&amp;nbsp;— good, competent, caring, and utterly, conventionally square&amp;nbsp;— without intending for her to be snickered at. 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